From bdonnette at linagora.com Mon Oct 1 07:46:29 2007 From: bdonnette at linagora.com (Benoit Donnette) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 09:46:29 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Another project needing help In-Reply-To: <20070928215819.GA11670@kroah.com> References: <20070928215819.GA11670@kroah.com> Message-ID: <44808.192.168.0.166.1191224789.squirrel@intranet.linagora.com> As an embedded systems expert, I should be a suitable man :-) Feel free to provide me with any pointer you might already have, should you decide I am the man. > I have another project, that is doing some sound driver development for > small systems. The devices look to be connected to the processor either > through SPI or I2c, but the codec and engine should be the same. > > Any takers? > > thanks, > > greg k-h > _______________________________________________ > prjmgr mailing list > prjmgr at linuxdriverproject.org > http://driverdev.linuxdriverproject.org/mailman/listinfo/prjmgr > Beno?t Donnette - Expert TM2L/OSSA - www.08000linux.com LINAGORA - 27 rue de Berri - 75008 PARIS LINAGORA recrute : http://www.linagora.com/societe/nous_rejoindre/ From bdonnette at linagora.com Mon Oct 1 07:56:01 2007 From: bdonnette at linagora.com (Benoit Donnette) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 09:56:01 +0200 (CEST) Subject: PCI and USB driver request In-Reply-To: <20070928201723.GJ9210@kroah.com> References: <20070928201723.GJ9210@kroah.com> Message-ID: <37937.192.168.0.166.1191225361.squirrel@intranet.linagora.com> Well, this would be my #2 choice if the I2C/SPI sound is not for me :-) This one sounds simple and could be handled by one single man apparently (even though a lot of things remain hidden). A good thing for a starter, possibly just supervised ? > Another request for a project. Any takers? > > thanks, > > greg k-h > > ----- Forwarded message from Tracey Ruesch ----- > > Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 10:56:11 -0700 > From: Tracey Ruesch > To: greg at kroah.com > Subject: Re: Linux Driver Project status and request for help > > > I am still very interested in having a simple driver interface > created for our time code reader/generator PCI card and USB device. > Our products have a very small (256 byte) memory footprint (I/O space > similar to a PC COM port). We need to be able to write and read > into the hardware registers via driver API or IOCTL calls and also > be able to handle hardware interrupt callback to pass the "time" > data so that it can be handled with a low latency. I will send > (to keep) one of each of the units to whoever picks up the project. > > Thanks, > Tracey > > -- > |---------------------------------------------------------------| > | Mr. Tracey Ruesch, Technical Sales & Support | > | Adrienne Electronics Corporation | > | 7225 Bermuda Road, Unit G, Las Vegas, Nevada 89119 USA | > | Phone: (702)896-1858 email: 'truesch at adrielec.com' | > | Fax: (702)896-3034 website: "http://www.adrielec.com" | > |---------------------------------------------------------------| > _______________________________________________ > prjmgr mailing list > prjmgr at linuxdriverproject.org > http://driverdev.linuxdriverproject.org/mailman/listinfo/prjmgr > Beno?t Donnette - Expert TM2L/OSSA - www.08000linux.com LINAGORA - 27 rue de Berri - 75008 PARIS LINAGORA recrute : http://www.linagora.com/societe/nous_rejoindre/ From robfitz at 273k.net Mon Oct 1 09:03:04 2007 From: robfitz at 273k.net (Robert Fitzsimons) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 10:03:04 +0100 Subject: Posible project In-Reply-To: <20070928201520.GH9210@kroah.com> References: <20070802112440.GD32733@localhost> <20070928201520.GH9210@kroah.com> Message-ID: <20071001090026.GD2181@localhost> I'm still interested in being a developer on this project. Robert On Fri, Sep 28, 2007 at 01:15:20PM -0700, Greg KH wrote: > On Thu, Aug 02, 2007 at 12:24:40PM +0100, Robert Fitzsimons wrote: > > Hi > > > > Did any of you see the possible project on the ProjectManager wiki page? > > http://www.linuxdriverproject.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ProjectManager > > > > I'm not sure what the etiquette is with regards to contacting a hardware > > vendor like this. Any project manager want to follow up on this? > > This kind of died. Anyone want to pick it up again? I have some > further details on what is needed, and a new contact at the company (the > old contact has now moved on.) > > thanks, > > greg k-h > _______________________________________________ > prjmgr mailing list > prjmgr at linuxdriverproject.org > http://driverdev.linuxdriverproject.org/mailman/listinfo/prjmgr From greg at kroah.com Tue Oct 2 05:21:51 2007 From: greg at kroah.com (Greg KH) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 22:21:51 -0700 Subject: Need a project manager In-Reply-To: <46FDACB1.2000606@soapweed.com> References: <20070928200725.GB9210@kroah.com> <46FDACB1.2000606@soapweed.com> Message-ID: <20071002052151.GA13433@kroah.com> On Fri, Sep 28, 2007 at 08:38:57PM -0500, codemonkey wrote: > I can do this one. I have some experience with the I2C drivers so this > should not be to bad to manage and develop on. > > Frank Great, thanks for signing up, I'll put you in contact with the company now. greg k-h From greg at kroah.com Thu Oct 4 05:50:02 2007 From: greg at kroah.com (Greg KH) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 22:50:02 -0700 Subject: Another project needing help In-Reply-To: <44808.192.168.0.166.1191224789.squirrel@intranet.linagora.com> References: <20070928215819.GA11670@kroah.com> <44808.192.168.0.166.1191224789.squirrel@intranet.linagora.com> Message-ID: <20071004055002.GA1077@kroah.com> On Mon, Oct 01, 2007 at 09:46:29AM +0200, Benoit Donnette wrote: > As an embedded systems expert, I should be a suitable man :-) > > Feel free to provide me with any pointer you might already have, should > you decide I am the man. Sorry, someone else already signed up for this. thanks for volunteering though. greg k-h From greg at kroah.com Thu Oct 4 06:07:50 2007 From: greg at kroah.com (Greg KH) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 23:07:50 -0700 Subject: PCI and USB driver request In-Reply-To: <37937.192.168.0.166.1191225361.squirrel@intranet.linagora.com> References: <20070928201723.GJ9210@kroah.com> <37937.192.168.0.166.1191225361.squirrel@intranet.linagora.com> Message-ID: <20071004060750.GB1235@kroah.com> On Mon, Oct 01, 2007 at 09:56:01AM +0200, Benoit Donnette wrote: > Well, this would be my #2 choice if the I2C/SPI sound is not for me :-) > > This one sounds simple and could be handled by one single man apparently > (even though a lot of things remain hidden). A good thing for a starter, > possibly just supervised ? Sorry, this is already taken now. thanks for volunteering though. greg k-h From greg at kroah.com Tue Oct 16 23:03:12 2007 From: greg at kroah.com (Greg KH) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 16:03:12 -0700 Subject: [004] Need a project manager Message-ID: <20071016230312.GB24300@kroah.com> Hm, no one responded last time, so let's try again, I need a project manager for the following project, we have 6 developers who have volunteered to work on this, but I need someone else to run it. Any volunteers? thanks, greg k-h Summary: High-speed data capture PCI device driver Description: This company has a range of devices currently using the Jungo "portability" layer to create a Linux driver. This layer needs to be removed and a "real" Linux driver created. The driver should be quite simple, but experience in DMA and userspace I/O is needed. Estimated skills needed: PCI driver experience, DMA allocations in host memory, the UIO interface in the kernel are all things that will be needed here. This is not a good "first driver" type project. From greg at kroah.com Tue Oct 16 22:56:55 2007 From: greg at kroah.com (Greg KH) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 15:56:55 -0700 Subject: VOIP project needs someone to manage it. In-Reply-To: <46FD513B.25347.389CD2@w3nlb.amsat.org> References: <20070928200940.GD9210@kroah.com> <46FD513B.25347.389CD2@w3nlb.amsat.org> Message-ID: <20071016225655.GA24300@kroah.com> On Fri, Sep 28, 2007 at 07:08:43PM -0400, w3nlb at amsat.org wrote: > Hi Greg, > > I'll tackle the VOIP project from the management side. > > I don't speak a word of Portuguese ;-) Sorry, Jaya beat you to it :( thanks for volunteering though. greg k-h From jayakumar.lkml at gmail.com Wed Oct 17 03:06:55 2007 From: jayakumar.lkml at gmail.com (Jaya Kumar) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 20:06:55 -0700 Subject: [004] Need a project manager In-Reply-To: <20071016230312.GB24300@kroah.com> References: <20071016230312.GB24300@kroah.com> Message-ID: <45a44e480710162006v1f286d1fl29007a53c7ce9bc8@mail.gmail.com> On 10/16/07, Greg KH wrote: > Hm, no one responded last time, so let's try again, I need a project > manager for the following project, we have 6 developers who have > volunteered to work on this, but I need someone else to run it. Any > volunteers? > Summary: High-speed data capture PCI device driver Managing the VOIP project seems low bandwidth, I can take on managing this PCI one if need be. Thanks, jaya From greg at kroah.com Wed Oct 17 22:31:22 2007 From: greg at kroah.com (Greg KH) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 15:31:22 -0700 Subject: [PRJ007] needs a project manager Message-ID: <20071017223122.GF23252@kroah.com> I need a project manager for this driver, any takers? Oh, and for all of the new people who have just joined the list, welcome. You might want to go read the archives for just what this list is for and how it works. thanks, greg k-h ------------------ Summary: tty over TCP driver Description: A company has devices that are exposed over TCP to a local machine as a "normal" tty serial port. A driver needs to be written for Linux to expose this kind of functionality to the user so that standard serial programs can be used to control the device. Estimated skills needed: tty layer experience TCP from within the kernel experience This is not a good "first driver" type project, but should not be that complex (with the exception of trying to understand the tty layer, a currently moving target.) From joe at DonAssad.com Thu Oct 18 16:10:42 2007 From: joe at DonAssad.com (Josef Assad) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 18:10:42 +0200 Subject: Free Linux Driver Development Project: promotional materials Message-ID: <47178582.70101@DonAssad.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi! I'm going to sink a bit of time over the next few days into producing some (hopefully attractive) materials that we can zip out to create awareness for the project. Without turning it into a marketing campaign (hey, let's hire some consultants!), what I originally had in mind without having thought too deeply was some basic printed materials which can be sent out. I know it may just look like a brochure, but you get a few wins (ideally); if we make it nice enough, people will just give it out instead of handling the communication themselves, so you have a bit more control over how the message is communicated. When the message is effective enough then this is a good idea. I am guessing some of the people who get to make the decision to take up this offer for linux driver development might come from a less F/LOSS-y technology or management background; so, you have the chance that they may not know who the guy sitting behind kroah.com or linuxdriverproject.org is, for example. We'd get the chance to preempt misconceptions and key concerns. Issues like "Well, I'd like to shave a few bucks off my budget yes, but:" - - "These are just amateurs. No QA." - - "I'm not giving out my specs to these random people." - - "There's no market. I'd still be investing people time. Why bother." Having standard material makes it easier to respond to initial interest quickly (that always impresses, at least by the standards of counterparts I've had to deal with) and to reach out further to drum up awareness. A slick(ish) brochure might make a difference with some decision-makers. "Oh, these guys look legit. *reads on*" So, again off the top of my head I would suggest: - - A two-pager (what is this project? Right, this sounds good; next step?) - - Something a bit longer and more detailed, but not long enough to keep interested parties from contacting you; a few pages, maybe 4. (right, so now I understand the benefits more thoroughly and I know how to sell this idea to my PHB, and I know what to expect, etc.) I'm going to jump right in with the 2-pager to produce a straw man document; I'd be happy to hear what direction people think we should go in and what should be said (if you're not in Linux, you're not a serious OEM) and what shouldn't (M$ sux0rz LOL!!!111?). At the same time, I'm going to plow ahead and mock up something so we get traction in parallel with discussion. I'll _probably_ be using scribus, though I might fall back to OO.o (hope not). In either case, I'll put the files on the wiki. Thoughts? JA (excuse the longer post) - -- http://www.DonAssad.com jabber ID: josef.assad at gmail.com Please consider the environment; do you really need to print out this e-mail? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHF4WBFcf72sjD2+QRAgmrAKCPQOUyNhovfLrRYc6hvpbyoD93vQCgmlmi 0i0vftthPdnGOzcxT8X7sMw= =iy8v -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From greg at kroah.com Thu Oct 18 21:29:24 2007 From: greg at kroah.com (Greg KH) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 14:29:24 -0700 Subject: Free Linux Driver Development Project: promotional materials In-Reply-To: <47178582.70101@DonAssad.com> References: <47178582.70101@DonAssad.com> Message-ID: <20071018212924.GA5906@kroah.com> On Thu, Oct 18, 2007 at 06:10:42PM +0200, Josef Assad wrote: > Hi! > > I'm going to sink a bit of time over the next few days into producing > some (hopefully attractive) materials that we can zip out to create > awareness for the project. > > Without turning it into a marketing campaign (hey, let's hire some > consultants!), what I originally had in mind without having thought too > deeply was some basic printed materials which can be sent out. I know it > may just look like a brochure, but you get a few wins (ideally); if we > make it nice enough, people will just give it out instead of handling > the communication themselves, so you have a bit more control over how > the message is communicated. When the message is effective enough then > this is a good idea. > > I am guessing some of the people who get to make the decision to take up > this offer for linux driver development might come from a less F/LOSS-y > technology or management background; so, you have the chance that they > may not know who the guy sitting behind kroah.com or > linuxdriverproject.org is, for example. We'd get the chance to preempt > misconceptions and key concerns. Issues like "Well, I'd like to shave a > few bucks off my budget yes, but:" > > - "These are just amateurs. No QA." > - "I'm not giving out my specs to these random people." > - "There's no market. I'd still be investing people time. Why bother." > > Having standard material makes it easier to respond to initial interest > quickly (that always impresses, at least by the standards of > counterparts I've had to deal with) and to reach out further to drum up > awareness. A slick(ish) brochure might make a difference with some > decision-makers. "Oh, these guys look legit. *reads on*" > > So, again off the top of my head I would suggest: > > - A two-pager (what is this project? Right, this sounds good; next step?) > - Something a bit longer and more detailed, but not long enough to keep > interested parties from contacting you; a few pages, maybe 4. (right, so > now I understand the benefits more thoroughly and I know how to sell > this idea to my PHB, and I know what to expect, etc.) > > I'm going to jump right in with the 2-pager to produce a straw man > document; I'd be happy to hear what direction people think we should go > in and what should be said (if you're not in Linux, you're not a serious > OEM) and what shouldn't (M$ sux0rz LOL!!!111?). At the same time, I'm > going to plow ahead and mock up something so we get traction in parallel > with discussion. I think having something concrete to review is the best thing to start with. Thank you very much for taking this up, I think it's really needed based on some of the odd comments I've been getting from people recently :) > I'll _probably_ be using scribus, though I might fall back to OO.o (hope > not). In either case, I'll put the files on the wiki. scribus is great and probably better than OO.o for something like this. thanks again, greg k-h From joe at DonAssad.com Wed Oct 24 11:24:40 2007 From: joe at DonAssad.com (Josef Assad) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 13:24:40 +0200 Subject: Promotional two-pager Message-ID: <471F2B78.3060002@DonAssad.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Sorry for the cross-post; I'll keep this short. I have a first draft of a two-pager up on the wiki here: http://www.linuxdriverproject.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MarketingMaterials I'd appreciate it if anyone with the inclination and time could review it for me. There's going to be a ton of things that need to be changed, and this document needs to represent the project. :) I've got asbestos undies and thick skin; any and all critique! This is just a draft to get things rolling. Cheers, JA - -- http://www.DonAssad.com jabber ID: josef.assad at gmail.com Please consider the environment; do you really need to print out this e-mail? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHHyt3Fcf72sjD2+QRAsdbAJ0Z89JXpSHItrZOul+eCNWM2Z/IawCgoY0h d6YvKOmyLQW+h/WsPgxd2V0= =k8gb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From smurf at smurf.noris.de Wed Oct 24 16:05:51 2007 From: smurf at smurf.noris.de (Matthias Urlichs) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 18:05:51 +0200 Subject: Promotional two-pager In-Reply-To: <1193241317.11140.198.camel@hermosa.morrealenet> References: <471F2B78.3060002@DonAssad.com> <1193241317.11140.198.camel@hermosa.morrealenet> Message-ID: <20071024160551.GF23023@kiste.smurf.noris.de> Hi, Peter W. Morreale: > "You won't need to hire or re-train additional programmers and if you > supply test devices, the Linux Driver Development Project can provide an > initial high quality software driver that meets or exceeds current > kernel standards." > s/ and if /. If / s/high q/high-q/ > Great job on this. > Seconded. -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U} IT Design @ m-u-it.de | smurf at smurf.noris.de Disclaimer: The quote was selected randomly. Really. | http://smurf.noris.de - - In English, every word can be verbed. Would that it were so in our programming languages. From joe at DonAssad.com Wed Oct 24 16:10:07 2007 From: joe at DonAssad.com (Josef Assad) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 18:10:07 +0200 Subject: Promotional two-pager In-Reply-To: <20071024160551.GF23023@kiste.smurf.noris.de> References: <471F2B78.3060002@DonAssad.com> <1193241317.11140.198.camel@hermosa.morrealenet> <20071024160551.GF23023@kiste.smurf.noris.de> Message-ID: <471F6E5F.5000209@DonAssad.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Matthias Urlichs wrote: > Hi, Hi! Thanks for the input; I'll absorb it all until the feedback peter out and reflect them in the document text. - -- http://www.DonAssad.com jabber ID: josef.assad at gmail.com Please consider the environment; do you really need to print out this e-mail? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHH25eFcf72sjD2+QRAg8+AJ9fWji2iMHH59H1BvwyvPjBImbEFgCfW92N OHg/J0IMstd7TOuKNIs3wzk= =Yv9+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From krishdpi at sbcglobal.net Wed Oct 24 21:37:43 2007 From: krishdpi at sbcglobal.net (krish dpi) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 14:37:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Promotional two-pager Message-ID: <435450.99285.qm@web81502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thats a great work Josef. I took some of your content and organized into white paper style. It need not be that way, just my initial way organizing the ideas that represent our effort. I just wanted to highlight and keep the content more focused by having bulleted and numbered content. We can use scribus of course, just that i'm not good at it. Here is the link: http://www.linuxdriverproject.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MarketingMaterial Thanks and let us keep working on this. Feel free to modify it. -sk ----- Original Message ---- From: Josef Assad To: Linux Driver Development Project - Managers ; Linux Driver Development Project - Devel Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 4:24:40 AM Subject: Promotional two-pager -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Sorry for the cross-post; I'll keep this short. I have a first draft of a two-pager up on the wiki here: http://www.linuxdriverproject.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MarketingMaterials I'd appreciate it if anyone with the inclination and time could review it for me. There's going to be a ton of things that need to be changed, and this document needs to represent the project. :) I've got asbestos undies and thick skin; any and all critique! This is just a draft to get things rolling. Cheers, JA - -- http://www.DonAssad.com jabber ID: josef.assad at gmail.com Please consider the environment; do you really need to print out this e-mail? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHHyt3Fcf72sjD2+QRAsdbAJ0Z89JXpSHItrZOul+eCNWM2Z/IawCgoY0h d6YvKOmyLQW+h/WsPgxd2V0= =k8gb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ devel mailing list devel at linuxdriverproject.org http://driverdev.linuxdriverproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel From greg at kroah.com Wed Oct 24 23:38:17 2007 From: greg at kroah.com (Greg KH) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 16:38:17 -0700 Subject: Promotional two-pager In-Reply-To: <471F2B78.3060002@DonAssad.com> References: <471F2B78.3060002@DonAssad.com> Message-ID: <20071024233817.GA4751@kroah.com> On Wed, Oct 24, 2007 at 01:24:40PM +0200, Josef Assad wrote: > Sorry for the cross-post; I'll keep this short. > > I have a first draft of a two-pager up on the wiki here: > > http://www.linuxdriverproject.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MarketingMaterials > > I'd appreciate it if anyone with the inclination and time could review > it for me. There's going to be a ton of things that need to be changed, > and this document needs to represent the project. :) First off, great job, thanks a lot for doing this. Should I just edit the text on the page, and/or the scribus text also? What is the best way to give you suggested changes? Oh, and you might not want to use that picture of the kernel developers. There are only a very small number actually participating in this project, so the majority might not like being linked to it. You could use my "who developed this kernel" graph as an image here if you like. I'll play around with the scribus file and see if that looks good... thanks again for undertaking this, I really appreciate it. greg k-h From greg at kroah.com Wed Oct 24 23:40:00 2007 From: greg at kroah.com (Greg KH) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 16:40:00 -0700 Subject: Promotional two-pager In-Reply-To: <471F2B78.3060002@DonAssad.com> References: <471F2B78.3060002@DonAssad.com> Message-ID: <20071024234000.GB4751@kroah.com> On Wed, Oct 24, 2007 at 01:24:40PM +0200, Josef Assad wrote: > Sorry for the cross-post; I'll keep this short. > > I have a first draft of a two-pager up on the wiki here: > > http://www.linuxdriverproject.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MarketingMaterials > > I'd appreciate it if anyone with the inclination and time could review > it for me. There's going to be a ton of things that need to be changed, > and this document needs to represent the project. :) > > I've got asbestos undies and thick skin; any and all critique! This is > just a draft to get things rolling. Oh, and evince doesn't seem to have the proper shading on the tux background, making the text unreadable in places. That seems odd to me... thanks, greg k-h From krishdpi at sbcglobal.net Thu Oct 25 00:11:02 2007 From: krishdpi at sbcglobal.net (krish dpi) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 17:11:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Promotional two-pager Message-ID: <929143.13534.qm@web81508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Oh.. I realized the link appears to be same link as previous one. Here is the updated link to the document I've put together. http://www.linuxdriverproject.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WhitePaper thanks -sk ----- Original Message ---- From: krish dpi To: Linux Driver Development Project - Managers ; Linux Driver Development Project - Devel Cc: Josef Assad Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 2:37:43 PM Subject: Re: Promotional two-pager Thats a great work Josef. I took some of your content and organized into white paper style. It need not be that way, just my initial way organizing the ideas that represent our effort. I just wanted to highlight and keep the content more focused by having bulleted and numbered content. We can use scribus of course, just that i'm not good at it. Here is the link: http://www.linuxdriverproject.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MarketingMaterial Thanks and let us keep working on this. Feel free to modify it. -sk ----- Original Message ---- From: Josef Assad To: Linux Driver Development Project - Managers ; Linux Driver Development Project - Devel Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 4:24:40 AM Subject: Promotional two-pager -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Sorry for the cross-post; I'll keep this short. I have a first draft of a two-pager up on the wiki here: http://www.linuxdriverproject.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MarketingMaterials I'd appreciate it if anyone with the inclination and time could review it for me. There's going to be a ton of things that need to be changed, and this document needs to represent the project. :) I've got asbestos undies and thick skin; any and all critique! This is just a draft to get things rolling. Cheers, JA - -- http://www.DonAssad.com jabber ID: josef.assad at gmail.com Please consider the environment; do you really need to print out this e-mail? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHHyt3Fcf72sjD2+QRAsdbAJ0Z89JXpSHItrZOul+eCNWM2Z/IawCgoY0h d6YvKOmyLQW+h/WsPgxd2V0= =k8gb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ devel mailing list devel at linuxdriverproject.org http://driverdev.linuxdriverproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel _______________________________________________ devel mailing list devel at linuxdriverproject.org http://driverdev.linuxdriverproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel From greg at kroah.com Thu Oct 25 05:39:52 2007 From: greg at kroah.com (Greg KH) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 22:39:52 -0700 Subject: Promotional two-pager In-Reply-To: <929143.13534.qm@web81508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <929143.13534.qm@web81508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20071025053952.GC14973@kroah.com> On Wed, Oct 24, 2007 at 05:11:02PM -0700, krish dpi wrote: > Oh.. I realized the link appears to be same link as previous one. > > Here is the updated link to the document I've put together. > > http://www.linuxdriverproject.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WhitePaper Thanks, I've deleted the old one. greg k-h From joe at DonAssad.com Thu Oct 25 06:41:06 2007 From: joe at DonAssad.com (Josef Assad) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 08:41:06 +0200 Subject: Promotional two-pager In-Reply-To: <20071024233817.GA4751@kroah.com> References: <471F2B78.3060002@DonAssad.com> <20071024233817.GA4751@kroah.com> Message-ID: <47203A82.4040709@DonAssad.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Greg KH wrote: > On Wed, Oct 24, 2007 at 01:24:40PM +0200, Josef Assad wrote: > Should I just edit the text on the page, and/or the scribus text also? > What is the best way to give you suggested changes? Twiki will show you the differences between revisions, so ideally the wiki is a good place to make changes. Don't worry about the scribus source, I'll try to reconcile all requested changes. > Oh, and you might not want to use that picture of the kernel developers. > There are only a very small number actually participating in this > project, so the majority might not like being linked to it. Fair enough. > You could use my "who developed this kernel" graph as an image here if > you like. I'll play around with the scribus file and see if that looks > good... Mm? This graph? http://www.kroah.com/log/diary/2007_06_25.html It's a great idea, but it might require a magical shoehorn to get that graph into this two-pager :) I acknowledge the need to change that picture though; will look for replacement. - -- http://www.DonAssad.com jabber ID: josef.assad at gmail.com Please consider the environment; do you really need to print out this e-mail? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHIDqCFcf72sjD2+QRAksGAKCTqAN3NXdzEiDYRHV6du9JdGDT0wCgqgk1 AF1oMEEtbcy3hzq3AdVq2lw= =XKpZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From joe at DonAssad.com Thu Oct 25 08:12:07 2007 From: joe at DonAssad.com (Josef Assad) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 10:12:07 +0200 Subject: Promotional two-pager In-Reply-To: <1193241317.11140.198.camel@hermosa.morrealenet> References: <471F2B78.3060002@DonAssad.com> <1193241317.11140.198.camel@hermosa.morrealenet> Message-ID: <47204FD7.60805@DonAssad.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Peter W. Morreale wrote: > Josef, > Whenever I see comments like the above, I always ask myself the used-car > question: "Would I buy a used car from that person?" :-) There goes my career objective ("Yessir, this openSUSE DVD will cost two dollars. The Nissan's free.") :) > "You won't need to hire or re-train additional programmers and if you > supply test devices, the Linux Driver Development Project can provide an > initial high quality software driver that meets or exceeds current > kernel standards." Yep, I like that too. I amended it on the wiki. Thanks Peter! JA - -- http://www.DonAssad.com jabber ID: josef.assad at gmail.com Please consider the environment; do you really need to print out this e-mail? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHIE+JFcf72sjD2+QRAir4AKCYaZErb9OtsugEXcql66yWULagawCdF/g/ QXMP3WpKecWwaEAfFzaMGk4= =4hSR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From greg at kroah.com Thu Oct 25 20:31:09 2007 From: greg at kroah.com (Greg KH) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 13:31:09 -0700 Subject: Promotional two-pager In-Reply-To: <47203A82.4040709@DonAssad.com> References: <471F2B78.3060002@DonAssad.com> <20071024233817.GA4751@kroah.com> <47203A82.4040709@DonAssad.com> Message-ID: <20071025203109.GA4940@kroah.com> On Thu, Oct 25, 2007 at 08:41:06AM +0200, Josef Assad wrote: > Greg KH wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 24, 2007 at 01:24:40PM +0200, Josef Assad wrote: > > Should I just edit the text on the page, and/or the scribus text also? > > What is the best way to give you suggested changes? > > Twiki will show you the differences between revisions, so ideally the > wiki is a good place to make changes. > > Don't worry about the scribus source, I'll try to reconcile all > requested changes. Ok, looks good, I've made a number of edits, feel free to ignore them if you wish :) > > Oh, and you might not want to use that picture of the kernel developers. > > There are only a very small number actually participating in this > > project, so the majority might not like being linked to it. > > Fair enough. > > > You could use my "who developed this kernel" graph as an image here if > > you like. I'll play around with the scribus file and see if that looks > > good... > > Mm? This graph? http://www.kroah.com/log/diary/2007_06_25.html It's a > great idea, but it might require a magical shoehorn to get that graph > into this two-pager :) You can shrink and use only a portion of it. I've done that before for a number of different presentations. thanks, greg k-h From joe at DonAssad.com Thu Oct 25 21:02:04 2007 From: joe at DonAssad.com (Josef Assad) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 23:02:04 +0200 Subject: Promotional two-pager In-Reply-To: <20071025203109.GA4940@kroah.com> References: <471F2B78.3060002@DonAssad.com> <20071024233817.GA4751@kroah.com> <47203A82.4040709@DonAssad.com> <20071025203109.GA4940@kroah.com> Message-ID: <4721044C.9050902@DonAssad.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Greg KH wrote: > On Thu, Oct 25, 2007 at 08:41:06AM +0200, Josef Assad wrote: >> Greg KH wrote: > Ok, looks good, I've made a number of edits, feel free to ignore them if > you wish :) Good. So, here's where we are: - - Greg, you edited on the wiki - - Roel, I tried very hard to reconcile your edit with the drafted one; mind looking to see if you like it more? Again, have at it with a butcher knife if anything doesn't look right :) - - Peter, your requested change should be in this edit - - Matthias, yours too - - Robert Berger might be able to come up with a logo for us (yay!), which is great seeing how poor my inkscape-fu is - - The background transparency thing? I'll see what I can do about that. evince sometimes strikes me as more of a fax viewer than pdf viewer... Krish, good work on the white paper! Did I miss anyone? LART me if so. I'll pull this discussion back into the managers list to avoid unnecessary noise on the devel list. When the edits are out of the way, the picture of the developers replaced, and the transparency issue resolved I'll just post a link on the devel list again so everyone knows we got something to shoot out at unsuspecting OEMs. Thanks, people; the feedback's been great. :) - -- http://www.DonAssad.com jabber ID: josef.assad at gmail.com Please consider the environment; do you really need to print out this e-mail? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHIQRMFcf72sjD2+QRAjJdAJ9a05kMbTtOQjryD9k1sG+2xjfSIgCeLvqJ S0YRQuDmJsdavlztTIKhE0I= =oE22 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From greg at kroah.com Fri Oct 26 04:42:13 2007 From: greg at kroah.com (Greg KH) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 21:42:13 -0700 Subject: [004] Need a project manager In-Reply-To: <45a44e480710162006v1f286d1fl29007a53c7ce9bc8@mail.gmail.com> References: <20071016230312.GB24300@kroah.com> <45a44e480710162006v1f286d1fl29007a53c7ce9bc8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20071026044213.GD22548@kroah.com> On Tue, Oct 16, 2007 at 08:06:55PM -0700, Jaya Kumar wrote: > On 10/16/07, Greg KH wrote: > > Hm, no one responded last time, so let's try again, I need a project > > manager for the following project, we have 6 developers who have > > volunteered to work on this, but I need someone else to run it. Any > > volunteers? > > Summary: High-speed data capture PCI device driver > > Managing the VOIP project seems low bandwidth, I can take on managing > this PCI one if need be. Ok, you got it, I'll email you off-list with the details. thanks, greg k-h From joe at DonAssad.com Fri Oct 26 10:09:09 2007 From: joe at DonAssad.com (Josef Assad) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 12:09:09 +0200 Subject: Promotional two-pager In-Reply-To: <472169DC.2000800@tiscali.nl> References: <471F2B78.3060002@DonAssad.com> <20071024233817.GA4751@kroah.com> <47203A82.4040709@DonAssad.com> <20071025203109.GA4940@kroah.com> <4721044C.9050902@DonAssad.com> <472169DC.2000800@tiscali.nl> Message-ID: <4721BCC5.7020000@DonAssad.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Roel Kluin wrote: > Josef Assad wrote: >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hah, you afraid already? Nope, not when I got a community looking over my shoulder. :) > Actually, I don't know exactly who the audience is for this two-pager, but after > reading it, I thought it was meant for companies developing hardware not yet > supported in Linux. Yep! > So I was thinking, who is going to receive this mail and will he/she understand > what this is about? Will it be clear that this is a beneficial deal? > > The answer to my first question, I thought was probably a secretary, because they > usually receive and sort mail. They may receive lots of adds, and try to separate > it from important mail. We are making an offer that they can't refuse. We are > offering quality development of drivers *for free*. Better make that message > clear immediately and not confuse or tire the reader or it will be thrown away - > before the message is understood. Maybe you want to express this in the title, > instead of the 'out of excuses' - which in my opinion is a bit too aggressive. > How about 'An offer you can't refuse'. Good, good! I was hoping I wasn't the only one dissatisfied with that bit up there on the left. No harm in being more ostentatious about being free, I agree. Let's try to think of a better slogan. I'm not convinced "an offer you can't refuse" is it either. I added a section to the wiki page where ideas for that slogan can be dumped. It's on the same page, close to the top. > We are not trying to sell Linux here. If that's the thought the secretary will get, > then he/she may judge incorrectly that it is not worth the bother to read. We are > offering driver development by a team of expert kernel people without charge. Drivers "for linux". I _do_ think we need to sell Linux itself a bit. If there's an OS out there with fifteen users (Vista? :) ) for which free driver development is offered, I don't think they'd be interested even being free of charge. OTOH, if the document is _too_ rah-rah then wade in and weed out the excess; it _is_ a wiki and I assert no property rights over that page :) > The pictures and layout do the first trick: attract the reader, to get them > to read. I like your layout. The pictures are nice and I like the subtle border > around the text. Pictures can say many words and additionally attribute to the > attractiveness. The key is a nice eye catcher. Maybe a 'supercomputer' running > Linux? Yeah, you're probably right. A beeg box with blinkenlights. Will see what I can find. > My experience is that people are lazy, don't want to read lots of text. People > usually read only the first few lines - if it looks promising enough. A little text > is a little effort, and will be read more probably. Make it look clear, space is > good. I do like the two columns. I am known to over-write; I've pruned a bit. Hopefully nothing material. > first line: 'a growing share on', not 'share of'? I may be incorrect, English is not > my native language. skip the 'already' in the second line (the first line got one > already) Your English is better than the overwhelming majority of native speakers. You're absolutely right. > Fourth alinea: replace 'beginning decisions' by 'early' or 'initial decisions' Or something like it. Yep. > 2nd alinea after 'From kick-off to development' > centuries of experience is too obviously an exaggeration (Linux only exists a few > decades) make that decades. Not really. If there's ten people with ten years of experience, that's one century of accumulated aggregate experience. That's what "accumulated" and "aggregated" are doing there. > 3rd replace 'developer resources' by 'developers', the Project -> lowercase. > vendor's-> vendors' I capitalise "Project" to avoid confusion between the LDDP and the individual project for a specific set of drivers. > This is going to be their major issue btw: companies may not have elaborate > documentation. therefore I added the 'sufficient' to show that it doesn't have to be > perfect, rather workable. Yeah, that's a very good catch Roel. Rephrased. > I think it's going in the right direction, but some sentences are still a bit long, > try be to the point where possible. Maybe you want to alter some of the titles Might help if I could understand what sucks about the current headings. > Hope it helps :) Very much, bedankt! Check the wiki diffs to see what was edited. JA - -- http://www.DonAssad.com jabber ID: josef.assad at gmail.com Please consider the environment; do you really need to print out this e-mail? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHIbzFFcf72sjD2+QRAj/JAKCtBMdhCjvX2J5oviaJdnlHFJXcXQCfWPe/ oE0VI6TDp610AA+qQgPEWks= =N7WH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From krishdpi at sbcglobal.net Fri Oct 26 17:54:14 2007 From: krishdpi at sbcglobal.net (krish dpi) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 10:54:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Pdf document for the marketing material Message-ID: <779229.16077.qm@web81509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> All, I will try again. >>Roel said >Actually, I don't know exactly who the audience is for this two-pager, but after >reading it, I thought it was meant for companies developing hardware not yet >supported in Linux. >So I was thinking, who is going to receive this mail and will he/she understand >what this is about? Will it be clear that this is a beneficial deal? This is precisely what went through my mind. I've worked with the kind of companies (in SF Bay area) we are trying to approach. I know how they feel about keeping their IP a secret. It is the business matter. We should try to alleviate this notion that making this available to the open source community will take away their advantage in the market. We should also address the cost issues as well. As Roel mentioned, our document will be read by first level managers or marketing persons. These people cannot make decision on their own about making the specifications available to us. There will be a bit of back and forth communication between us and them (if at all they decide to go with us). Our document should succinctly lay out our side of the story: 1. What is Linux Driver project? 2. What do we offer as a community? 3. What is a prospective company's effort and involvement to get their product working in Linux? 4. What are the benefits for them in doing so? If we catch their attention by answering these questions then we will have an entry point to get them talk to us further. Check this link for the pdf document I've put together to answer these questions. http://www.linuxdriverproject.org/twiki/bin/viewfile/Main/WhitePaper?rev=1;filename=Linux_Driver_Project_Initiative.pdf http://www.linuxdriverproject.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WhitePaper I can work with Josef and others to solidify this further. -sk ----- Original Message ---- From: Roel Kluin <12o3l at tiscali.nl> To: Josef Assad Cc: Linux Driver Development Project - Managers ; Linux Driver Development Project - Devel Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 9:15:24 PM Subject: Re: Promotional two-pager Josef Assad wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Greg KH wrote: >> On Thu, Oct 25, 2007 at 08:41:06AM +0200, Josef Assad wrote: >>> Greg KH wrote: >> Ok, looks good, I've made a number of edits, feel free to ignore them if >> you wish :) > > Good. So, here's where we are: > > - - Greg, you edited on the wiki > - - Roel, I tried very hard to reconcile your edit with the drafted one; > mind looking to see if you like it more? Again, have at it with a > butcher knife if anything doesn't look right :) Hah, you afraid already? Actually, I don't know exactly who the audience is for this two-pager, but after reading it, I thought it was meant for companies developing hardware not yet supported in Linux. So I was thinking, who is going to receive this mail and will he/she understand what this is about? Will it be clear that this is a beneficial deal? The answer to my first question, I thought was probably a secretary, because they usually receive and sort mail. They may receive lots of adds, and try to separate it from important mail. We are making an offer that they can't refuse. We are offering quality development of drivers *for free*. Better make that message clear immediately and not confuse or tire the reader or it will be thrown away - before the message is understood. Maybe you want to express this in the title, instead of the 'out of excuses' - which in my opinion is a bit too aggressive. How about 'An offer you can't refuse'. We are not trying to sell Linux here. If that's the thought the secretary will get, then he/she may judge incorrectly that it is not worth the bother to read. We are offering driver development by a team of expert kernel people without charge. The pictures and layout do the first trick: attract the reader, to get them to read. I like your layout. The pictures are nice and I like the subtle border around the text. Pictures can say many words and additionally attribute to the attractiveness. The key is a nice eye catcher. Maybe a 'supercomputer' running Linux? My experience is that people are lazy, don't want to read lots of text. People usually read only the first few lines - if it looks promising enough. A little text is a little effort, and will be read more probably. Make it look clear, space is good. I do like the two columns. Your text has improved a lot since your first version, I do only have a few remarks. first line: 'a growing share on', not 'share of'? I may be incorrect, English is not my native language. skip the 'already' in the second line (the first line got one already) Fourth alinea: replace 'beginning decisions' by 'early' or 'initial decisions' 2nd alinea after 'From kick-off to development' centuries of experience is too obviously an exaggeration (Linux only exists a few decades) make that decades. 3rd replace 'developer resources' by 'developers', the Project -> lowercase. vendor's-> vendors' make it this sentence (punctuation improvement): On the hardware vendors' side, your designated contact person provides the required background information: the device specifications and documentation - sufficient for the development of fully functional device drivers. This is going to be their major issue btw: companies may not have elaborate documentation. therefore I added the 'sufficient' to show that it doesn't have to be perfect, rather workable. I think it's going in the right direction, but some sentences are still a bit long, try be to the point where possible. Maybe you want to alter some of the titles Hope it helps :) Roel _______________________________________________ devel mailing list devel at linuxdriverproject.org http://driverdev.linuxdriverproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel From joe at DonAssad.com Fri Oct 26 21:44:41 2007 From: joe at DonAssad.com (Josef Assad) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 23:44:41 +0200 Subject: two-pager (and a couple of other things) Message-ID: <47225FC9.6060809@DonAssad.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 This version should incorporate to the fullest extent people's requests and modifications: http://www.linuxdriverproject.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TwoPager Greg, this renders fine on evince 2.20.0 now on my end. All that's missing now here is the contact details at the bottom; that's probably yours Greg. Mauricio has come up with a one-pager (I'm easy to beat when the game is brevity!), and sk has a whitepaper. Find both linked off of here: http://www.linuxdriverproject.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MarketingMaterials As promo materials go, looks to me like we got more'n enough for starters. Moving on, now that there's this nice fat list of drivers needed, what happens? JA - -- http://www.DonAssad.com jabber ID: josef.assad at gmail.com Please consider the environment; do you really need to print out this e-mail? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHIl/JFcf72sjD2+QRAuVkAJ0SftOs/2r8X4HQYWBIdHlMeE68SwCghR8e JP6zun/WdTBPTzRTWOXwpuk= =RtqQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From greg at kroah.com Sun Oct 28 07:13:15 2007 From: greg at kroah.com (Greg KH) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 00:13:15 -0700 Subject: two-pager (and a couple of other things) In-Reply-To: <47225FC9.6060809@DonAssad.com> References: <47225FC9.6060809@DonAssad.com> Message-ID: <20071028071315.GE8933@kroah.com> On Fri, Oct 26, 2007 at 11:44:41PM +0200, Josef Assad wrote: > This version should incorporate to the fullest extent people's requests > and modifications: > > http://www.linuxdriverproject.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TwoPager > > Greg, this renders fine on evince 2.20.0 now on my end. > > All that's missing now here is the contact details at the bottom; that's > probably yours Greg. > > Mauricio has come up with a one-pager (I'm easy to beat when the game is > brevity!), and sk has a whitepaper. Find both linked off of here: > > http://www.linuxdriverproject.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MarketingMaterials > > As promo materials go, looks to me like we got more'n enough for starters. Thanks, I'll review them both on Monday and get back to you. > Moving on, now that there's this nice fat list of drivers needed, what > happens? Probably we need to distill it down into a list of companies we need to contact, and then go from there. I'm hoping that some of our contacts within some OEMs can help us out with this... Give it a week to settle down (hit digg and /. today) and then we can go from there. thanks, greg k-h From jayakumar.lkml at gmail.com Sun Oct 28 07:17:10 2007 From: jayakumar.lkml at gmail.com (Jaya Kumar) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 03:17:10 -0400 Subject: Status Report: Project-002: USB FXO+FXS VOIP device Message-ID: <45a44e480710280017l3ef62ad8jfd869b99137fe263@mail.gmail.com> Hi folks, Here's our status report for Project-002. Thanks, jaya --- Project 002. Summary: USB FXO+FXS VOIP device Status: Abandoned: Project initiator switched to Linux compatible device. Post-mortem: The original goal was to implement full Linux support for the SAS0 VOIP Adapter from Polypower [1] and/or the Voxelle TLink Personal VoIP Gateway Solution [2], most likely believed to be both based on a Smartlink chipset. [1] http://www.polypower.com.tw/product-page/SAS0.html [2] http://www.smlink.com/emall/content.asp?cc=66996&id=49031&fid=7254 - SAS0 is a USB device with both an FXO and an FXS port. Carlos Doria mentioned that the SAS0 uses a Smartlink chipset and that this chipset was supported by the Au600 driver but there were problems in testing. The project initiator did not have chipset specs. The Au600 driver author, Markus Rechberger had stated that he had to reverse engineer much of it to implement the Au600 driver. - We asked the project initiator to request chipset specifications from the product supplier. - In the mean-time, the product supplier discontinued the product and thus the project initiator switched to another product that did not need driver support. What-we-would-have-done-differently: - We should have asked the project initiator to send hardware first rather than wait for chipset specifications. :-) At least then, we would have been able to evaluate the device more concretely and contribute if possible to the Au600 driver. From 12o3l at tiscali.nl Wed Oct 24 14:29:23 2007 From: 12o3l at tiscali.nl (Roel Kluin) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 16:29:23 +0200 Subject: Promotional two-pager In-Reply-To: <471F2B78.3060002@DonAssad.com> References: <471F2B78.3060002@DonAssad.com> Message-ID: <471F56C3.1010300@tiscali.nl> Josef Assad wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Sorry for the cross-post; I'll keep this short. > > I have a first draft of a two-pager up on the wiki here: > > http://www.linuxdriverproject.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MarketingMaterials > > I'd appreciate it if anyone with the inclination and time could review > it for me. There's going to be a ton of things that need to be changed, > and this document needs to represent the project. :) > > I've got asbestos undies and thick skin; any and all critique! This is > just a draft to get things rolling. > > > Cheers, > > > > JA > Hi, I changed it a bit, mostly because I thought the first lines didn't express the message clearly, and I think that the message sells itself and needs little additional boosting. I tried to preserve the information supplied in your initial version. Roel -- With a commanding leadership position in enterprise systems as well as a growing share of user systems, driver support for Linux increases the market for computer products. The Linux Driver Development Project is an initiative to include support for the few devices not yet supported in Linux: a community of kernel developers that want to develop a driver for your device on linux. This service is provided at no cost by the Linux kernel development community. The Linux Driver Development Project was intiated by Greg Kroah-Hartman. Greg co-authored the canonical Linux kernel development references and is the current Linux kernel maintainer of the Linux USB, PCI, I2C, and sysfs subsystems. During development Having signaled your requirement for Linux drivers, the Project assigns your devices developer resources and project management as required. On the hardware vendor's side, your designated contact person provides background information such as device specifications and documentation for the internal workings as are required for the development of fully functional device drivers. Team members working on your drivers can sign reasonable NDAs where this is necessary and compatible with the open nature of the drivers. Test devices are often requested and are returned upon successful completion of testing. If you supply test devices, the Linux Driver Development Project obviates your need for an elaborate and expensive testing team. Armed with the device specifications and a person on the hardware vendor's side to address the occasional question about functionality, the Linux Driver Development Project takes charge of driver development, testing, and timely inclusion of your driver in the mainline Linux kernel. Team members working on your drivers can sign reasonable NDAs where this is necessary and compatible with the open nature of the drivers. If you supply test devices, the Linux Driver Development Project obviates your need for an elaborate and expensive testing team. After development After driver is merged to the mainline kernel the global kernel development community continues the support for your device. If your specs change, you make these available through the Linux Driver Development Project and let us manage the development and driver maintenance. Maintaining a driver outside the Linux mainline kernel tree can be a significant expense and impedes the smooth deployment of your hardware in a Linux environment. The technical criteria for driver inclusion in the mainline kernel tree are high; they have to maintain Linux's high and reliable performance. Therefore the Linux Driver Development Project team consists of core Linux kernel developers with high expertise. Contact Interested OEMs can contact the Linux Driver Development Project at the address provided below. We are also happy to receive pre-engagement inquiries; that is what the Skype and Jabber IDs are there for. Once the OEM signals interest, the Linux Driver Development Project will assign resources who will pick up with the contact person on the OEM's side. While the Project employs a public website and mailing lists for overall communication, per-project work is done in a private manner until the Project team members commit their driver to the larger kernel community. From pmorreale at novell.com Wed Oct 24 15:55:17 2007 From: pmorreale at novell.com (Peter W. Morreale) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 09:55:17 -0600 Subject: Promotional two-pager In-Reply-To: <471F2B78.3060002@DonAssad.com> References: <471F2B78.3060002@DonAssad.com> Message-ID: <1193241317.11140.198.camel@hermosa.morrealenet> Josef, Great job. One comment. The sentence: "You won't need to hire programmers and if you supply test devices, the Linux Driver Development Project obviates your need for an elaborate and expensive testing team." Is a bit much. Whether a company decides, on its own, that the above is true, is completely up to them. For us to make such an assertion is, well, seemingly naive. Whenever I see comments like the above, I always ask myself the used-car question: "Would I buy a used car from that person?" :-) Can we be a very significant part? Absolutely. I would change it to something more like: "You won't need to hire or re-train additional programmers and if you supply test devices, the Linux Driver Development Project can provide an initial high quality software driver that meets or exceeds current kernel standards." Something like that. Great job on this. Best, -PWM On Wed, 2007-10-24 at 13:24 +0200, Josef Assad wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Sorry for the cross-post; I'll keep this short. > > I have a first draft of a two-pager up on the wiki here: > > http://www.linuxdriverproject.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MarketingMaterials > > I'd appreciate it if anyone with the inclination and time could review > it for me. There's going to be a ton of things that need to be changed, > and this document needs to represent the project. :) > > I've got asbestos undies and thick skin; any and all critique! This is > just a draft to get things rolling. > > > Cheers, > > > > JA > > > > - -- > http://www.DonAssad.com > jabber ID: josef.assad at gmail.com > > Please consider the environment; do you really need to print out this > e-mail? > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFHHyt3Fcf72sjD2+QRAsdbAJ0Z89JXpSHItrZOul+eCNWM2Z/IawCgoY0h > d6YvKOmyLQW+h/WsPgxd2V0= > =k8gb > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > devel mailing list > devel at linuxdriverproject.org > http://driverdev.linuxdriverproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel From 12o3l at tiscali.nl Fri Oct 26 04:15:24 2007 From: 12o3l at tiscali.nl (Roel Kluin) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 06:15:24 +0200 Subject: Promotional two-pager In-Reply-To: <4721044C.9050902@DonAssad.com> References: <471F2B78.3060002@DonAssad.com> <20071024233817.GA4751@kroah.com> <47203A82.4040709@DonAssad.com> <20071025203109.GA4940@kroah.com> <4721044C.9050902@DonAssad.com> Message-ID: <472169DC.2000800@tiscali.nl> Josef Assad wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Greg KH wrote: >> On Thu, Oct 25, 2007 at 08:41:06AM +0200, Josef Assad wrote: >>> Greg KH wrote: >> Ok, looks good, I've made a number of edits, feel free to ignore them if >> you wish :) > > Good. So, here's where we are: > > - - Greg, you edited on the wiki > - - Roel, I tried very hard to reconcile your edit with the drafted one; > mind looking to see if you like it more? Again, have at it with a > butcher knife if anything doesn't look right :) Hah, you afraid already? Actually, I don't know exactly who the audience is for this two-pager, but after reading it, I thought it was meant for companies developing hardware not yet supported in Linux. So I was thinking, who is going to receive this mail and will he/she understand what this is about? Will it be clear that this is a beneficial deal? The answer to my first question, I thought was probably a secretary, because they usually receive and sort mail. They may receive lots of adds, and try to separate it from important mail. We are making an offer that they can't refuse. We are offering quality development of drivers *for free*. Better make that message clear immediately and not confuse or tire the reader or it will be thrown away - before the message is understood. Maybe you want to express this in the title, instead of the 'out of excuses' - which in my opinion is a bit too aggressive. How about 'An offer you can't refuse'. We are not trying to sell Linux here. If that's the thought the secretary will get, then he/she may judge incorrectly that it is not worth the bother to read. We are offering driver development by a team of expert kernel people without charge. The pictures and layout do the first trick: attract the reader, to get them to read. I like your layout. The pictures are nice and I like the subtle border around the text. Pictures can say many words and additionally attribute to the attractiveness. The key is a nice eye catcher. Maybe a 'supercomputer' running Linux? My experience is that people are lazy, don't want to read lots of text. People usually read only the first few lines - if it looks promising enough. A little text is a little effort, and will be read more probably. Make it look clear, space is good. I do like the two columns. Your text has improved a lot since your first version, I do only have a few remarks. first line: 'a growing share on', not 'share of'? I may be incorrect, English is not my native language. skip the 'already' in the second line (the first line got one already) Fourth alinea: replace 'beginning decisions' by 'early' or 'initial decisions' 2nd alinea after 'From kick-off to development' centuries of experience is too obviously an exaggeration (Linux only exists a few decades) make that decades. 3rd replace 'developer resources' by 'developers', the Project -> lowercase. vendor's-> vendors' make it this sentence (punctuation improvement): On the hardware vendors' side, your designated contact person provides the required background information: the device specifications and documentation - sufficient for the development of fully functional device drivers. This is going to be their major issue btw: companies may not have elaborate documentation. therefore I added the 'sufficient' to show that it doesn't have to be perfect, rather workable. I think it's going in the right direction, but some sentences are still a bit long, try be to the point where possible. Maybe you want to alter some of the titles Hope it helps :) Roel From mmauad at gmail.com Fri Oct 26 21:34:44 2007 From: mmauad at gmail.com (Mauricio Mauad Menegaz Filho) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 19:34:44 -0200 Subject: Marketing material/strategy Message-ID: Hi all! After reading some mails about this subject, showing the results for both technical and business guys in the company I work for, I realized some facts (some of then already pointed out by Roel): 1- the two-pager looks fine for technical people 2- the two-pager looks long for business people 3- the two-pager brings too much information for business people since that they will forward the e-mail for his first technical head if the thing matters (i.e. he will not access us via e-mail, jabber, et cetera) 4- secretaries deletes .pdf attachments usually 5- secretaries actually like to buy stuff (and show their bosses what they like to buy) Based on this, I'd sketched a rough draft of a one page document -- using our oss spirit and borrowing some stuff from the two pager to not reinvent the wheel --, aimed for quick reading. Some key words as _competitive_, a cool "open source ready" found on the web label, and a tour de france bike competition (also found on the web and without any copyright info) were used after some research with "secretary mail filters". I think that we can adopt a twofold marketing strategy, since that the business layer must approve business info disclosure anyway. On the other side, we must have a strategy focusing the technical people (those strongly involved into making things happen on the ongoing process of driver development). As anything around here should (and seems to) be, feel free to suggest, attack, change, and even accept the idea as is (perhaps not a good idea!). The one-pager is on the marketing materials wiki: http://linuxdriverproject.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MarketingMaterials ---mauad From felipebalbi at users.sourceforge.net Fri Oct 26 21:48:04 2007 From: felipebalbi at users.sourceforge.net (Felipe Balbi) Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 00:48:04 +0300 Subject: Marketing material/strategy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <31e679430710261448n56ca26d7n660d2951cddbe1d6@mail.gmail.com> Hi, On 10/27/07, Mauricio Mauad Menegaz Filho wrote: > Hi all! > > After reading some mails about this subject, showing the results for > both technical and business guys in the company I work for, I realized > some facts (some of then already pointed out by Roel): > > 1- the two-pager looks fine for technical people > 2- the two-pager looks long for business people > 3- the two-pager brings too much information for business people > since that they will forward the e-mail for his first technical head > if the thing matters (i.e. he will not access us via e-mail, > jabber, et cetera) > 4- secretaries deletes .pdf attachments usually > 5- secretaries actually like to buy stuff (and show their bosses what they > like to buy) Agreed in all of the above. > > Based on this, I'd sketched a rough draft of a one page document > -- using our oss spirit and borrowing some stuff from the two pager > to not reinvent the wheel --, aimed for quick reading. Some key words > as _competitive_, a cool "open source ready" found on the web label, > and a tour de france bike competition (also found on the web and without > any copyright info) were used after some research with "secretary mail filters". > Congrats Mauricio, it looks really nice. I'd like to see this one in my inbox :-) It's quick, direct to the point, and points the "goodies" of our work. The "We can make it ready... ... for free" looks perfect :-) > I think that we can adopt a twofold marketing strategy, since that > the business layer must approve business info disclosure anyway. > On the other side, we must have a strategy focusing the technical > people (those strongly involved into making things happen on the > ongoing process of driver development). > > As anything around here should (and seems to) be, feel free to > suggest, attack, change, and even accept the idea as is (perhaps not a > good idea!). > > The one-pager is on the marketing materials wiki: Once again... for me it looks really better for a first approach. Although the two-pager could be used for a "could you get me more info about your project" mail response :-) Congrats... it looks really nice. I ack this one :-D > > http://linuxdriverproject.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MarketingMaterials > > > ---mauad > _______________________________________________ > devel mailing list > devel at linuxdriverproject.org > http://driverdev.linuxdriverproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel > In any case... I have a few comments around the text: "Customers want to"... it's plural... so the verb should follow... wants is 3rd singular only. ;-) Instead of "Customers want to have business effective options. Customers are the owners of the market." you could use "Customers want to have business effective options, they own the market." The correct would be: "As Linux increases its market share..." there's one extra "e" in "credeential", just remove it :-D my 2 cents -- Best Regards, Felipe Balbi felipebalbi at users.sourceforge.net From mmauad at gmail.com Fri Oct 26 22:14:21 2007 From: mmauad at gmail.com (Mauricio Mauad Menegaz Filho) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 20:14:21 -0200 Subject: Marketing material/strategy In-Reply-To: <31e679430710261448n56ca26d7n660d2951cddbe1d6@mail.gmail.com> References: <31e679430710261448n56ca26d7n660d2951cddbe1d6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: 2007/10/26, Felipe Balbi : > Hi, > > On 10/27/07, Mauricio Mauad Menegaz Filho wrote: > > Hi all! > > > > After reading some mails about this subject, showing the results for > > both technical and business guys in the company I work for, I realized > > some facts (some of then already pointed out by Roel): > > > > 1- the two-pager looks fine for technical people > > 2- the two-pager looks long for business people > > 3- the two-pager brings too much information for business people > > since that they will forward the e-mail for his first technical head > > if the thing matters (i.e. he will not access us via e-mail, > > jabber, et cetera) > > 4- secretaries deletes .pdf attachments usually > > 5- secretaries actually like to buy stuff (and show their bosses what they > > like to buy) > > Agreed in all of the above. > > > > > Based on this, I'd sketched a rough draft of a one page document > > -- using our oss spirit and borrowing some stuff from the two pager > > to not reinvent the wheel --, aimed for quick reading. Some key words > > as _competitive_, a cool "open source ready" found on the web label, > > and a tour de france bike competition (also found on the web and without > > any copyright info) were used after some research with "secretary mail filters". > > > > Congrats Mauricio, it looks really nice. I'd like to see this one in > my inbox :-) > It's quick, direct to the point, and points the "goodies" of our work. > The "We can make it ready... ... for free" looks perfect :-) > > > I think that we can adopt a twofold marketing strategy, since that > > the business layer must approve business info disclosure anyway. > > On the other side, we must have a strategy focusing the technical > > people (those strongly involved into making things happen on the > > ongoing process of driver development). > > > > As anything around here should (and seems to) be, feel free to > > suggest, attack, change, and even accept the idea as is (perhaps not a > > good idea!). > > > > The one-pager is on the marketing materials wiki: > > Once again... for me it looks really better for a first approach. > Although the two-pager could be used for a "could you get me more info > about your project" mail response :-) > > Congrats... it looks really nice. > > I ack this one :-D > > > > > http://linuxdriverproject.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MarketingMaterials > > > > > > ---mauad > > _______________________________________________ > > devel mailing list > > devel at linuxdriverproject.org > > http://driverdev.linuxdriverproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel > > > > > In any case... I have a few comments around the text: > Oh, thanks for that. > "Customers want to"... it's plural... so the verb should follow... > wants is 3rd singular only. ;-) > Instead of "Customers want to have business effective options. > Customers are the owners of the market." you could use "Customers want > to have business effective options, they own the market." > > The correct would be: > "As Linux increases its market share..." > > there's one extra "e" in "credeential", just remove it :-D > > > my 2 cents some dollars actually ;) > - > Best Regards, > Felipe Balbi > felipebalbi at users.sourceforge.net > The modified version is already there. Thanks Felipe. ---mauad From felipebalbi at users.sourceforge.net Fri Oct 26 22:17:19 2007 From: felipebalbi at users.sourceforge.net (Felipe Balbi) Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 01:17:19 +0300 Subject: Marketing material/strategy In-Reply-To: References: <31e679430710261448n56ca26d7n660d2951cddbe1d6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <31e679430710261517o2c5d4e25k4694185649cabf46@mail.gmail.com> Hi, On 10/27/07, Mauricio Mauad Menegaz Filho wrote: > The modified version is already there. > > Thanks Felipe. never mind, we're here to help each other. ;-) > > ---mauad > -- Best Regards, Felipe Balbi felipebalbi at users.sourceforge.net From charlie2 at ledgible.com Mon Oct 29 15:02:40 2007 From: charlie2 at ledgible.com (charles morrison) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 11:02:40 -0400 Subject: Roland PC-60 cutter/printer Message-ID: <4725F610.3020408@ledgible.com> Sirs, I use a Roland PC-60 cutter/printer in my business. We use this with Corel Draw to make various labels and lettering for our products. This cutter/printer uses a proprietary driver and does not work with Linux or WINE as we know. In order for me to convert more of my company to Linux, I need this cutter/printer to work with Corel Draw under WINE (I do not know of a Linux based drawing program which my people will use to do their work. GIMP, etc are not satisfactory) I have asked for a Linux developer to make printers work with Corel Draw under WINE and there is some one working to make this work for normal printers. I request some one take up the project of making the drivers for the PC-60. I am an end user of Linux and not a developer, but am seriously dangerous with Linux. I can act as a tester, with hand holding, if some one wishes to develop a driver. The web site for known drivers for this cutter/printer is: http://www.rolanddga.com/asd/support/wizard/default.asp?ft=12&mt=28&pt=&modelmenu= Thanks for any help. Charlie Morrison, President -- Charlie Morrison American LED-gible, Inc 1776 Lone Eagle Street Columbus, OH 43228 USA 614-851-1100 FAX 614-851-1121 We use ISO 26300 document standards available through Open Office at http://www.openoffice.org From greg at kroah.com Wed Oct 31 15:40:45 2007 From: greg at kroah.com (Greg KH) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 08:40:45 -0700 Subject: Roland PC-60 cutter/printer In-Reply-To: <4725F610.3020408@ledgible.com> References: <4725F610.3020408@ledgible.com> Message-ID: <20071031154045.GA7240@kroah.com> On Mon, Oct 29, 2007 at 11:02:40AM -0400, charles morrison wrote: > Sirs, > > I use a Roland PC-60 cutter/printer in my business. We use this with > Corel Draw to make various labels and lettering for our products. > > This cutter/printer uses a proprietary driver and does not work with > Linux or WINE as we know. In order for me to convert more of my company > to Linux, I need this cutter/printer to work with Corel Draw under WINE > (I do not know of a Linux based drawing program which my people will use > to do their work. GIMP, etc are not satisfactory) > > I have asked for a Linux developer to make printers work with Corel > Draw under WINE and there is some one working to make this work for > normal printers. > > I request some one take up the project of making the drivers for the PC-60. Please see: http://linuxdriverproject.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/NoLinuxDriverNeeded#Printers for more information on how to get printers working better under Linux. Unfortunately, there is nothing a bunch of kernel engineers can do to help this out at this point in time. thanks, greg k-h